Manga Discussion & Chapter release notice; on: Chapter 774

I just breezed through that whole debate, and here's my short and quick opinion;

Zoro has a personality just as much as the others, and probably improved over the "2 years" just like everyone else, with a bunch of cool mihawk techniques. I basically agree with a lot of what zoro's_babe said up there.
One thing I agree with Admin-Sama about is that everyone else has a skill except zoro. Sanji has cooking, Nami has navigating, etc. Zoro has... cutting things... And same deal with Luffy, they are both useless in terms of outside of battle.

Actually Luffy is kinda charismatic, being able to pull that many people together. So HE'S got a use.

Zoro has the skills to lift tons of weights =D

Well you guys, swordsmanship sounds like a skill to me. So it doesnt matter if he doesnt have a skill outside of the battle. He is a "swordsman" and in the world of One Piece, thats a profession. Zoro is the swordsman of the crew, and if you think about it, there are plenty characters in One Piece, in high ranks, Marine VA, pirate captains etc who are just swordsmen.
Dont forget that while Zoro may look useless, he infact is the reason voice when critical desicions are to be made. He is eccentially the captain when Luffy aint around or when he is around or is simply .. well, Luffy.
All in all, Zoro is just awesome, and thats the end of it !
I mean, look at my picture, isnt he great or what ?

... I like Zoro cause he looks like he'd be fun to hug... :/
I like characters for incredibly shallow reasons, so this debate is rather over my head.

=_= All you guys' reasonings (except for you, Gael) are making him seem even MORE overrated.

Also, when we meant skill it meant practical use outside of battle.

Okay I declare this discussion DONE. (and Gael I totally agree with you XD)

Zoros_babe_1 wrote:

Okay, so maybe not a debate, just me defending my opinion. (Sorry I was feeling sort of irate last night, I was NOT having a good day.) Just know that I'm not attacking you or your opinion in any way. To tell the truth I used to be an anti-zoro myself. Yeah he does seem cliche, but if you look at it EVERYONE is a cliche in one way or another. Luffy, the plucky, happy-go-lucky main character that's unbelievably strong. Sanji, the skirt-chasing womanizer. Brooke, the old pervert (c'mon, every series has one. Roshi, Jiraiya, etc.) Being a writer myself and having studied story and character archetypes, I know that clichés are entirely unavoidable.

And Key, your comment on him being like every other cliche anime guy, why did we have that time skip? Because EVERYONE wanted to get stronger. It's not just Zoro. Sure his role doesn't seem all that important, but being his best friend's number one support in my opinion is VERY important. At Thriller Bark he was willing to give up his life's ambition for Luffy, which meant breaking his promise to his deceased friend.

Now Admin-sama, you say his ambition to be the world's greatest swordsman is an empty goal. Well if that's the case then I would say that Luffy's goal is equally as empty as well. What do both goals entail? Worldwide fame and recognition and such recognition will draw out people who will want to take them down and take that fame for themselves. I really don't think either goal is empty at all. EVERYONE at one point or another wants to be the best at what they do.

As for him being emotionless and invulnerable? A man with as much personality as a potato? I would say that's stretching it. One Piece is a series full of people that meet extremes and I see Zoro and Robin being the only middle ground characters. (Yes I will bring Robin into this because I find her and Zoro very similar in many ways). Those middle-ground characters are necessary for a story to flourish. If you have too many extremes, the story becomes over-powering (sometimes even under powering) and loses its appeal.

Zoro is a very honorable, dedicated and noble character. For the most part his stern attitude is the product of self-discipline which comes from him following the bushido code fairly closely. Being very perceptive in and out of battle, he can read people and situations very well and has been the voice of reason in events past. With that comes a strong sense of leadership and reasoning.

For the most part though, he will stand by Luffy in all of his decisions unless he and everyone else has overlooked something serious that could affect them in a negative way. The most notable situation being when they wanted to bring Usopp back into the crew after Usopp challenged Luffy to a duel over the Going Merry and lost

Zoro has provided important and logical viewpoints when critical decisions had to be made at times, by evaluating the situation from an objective point of view, as he did in Water 7 when at the time, it seemed like Robin had betrayed the crew, and again when the crew wanted to bring back Usopp. When it really matters he can keep his cool and be one of the most level headed people on the crew.

Then on the other hand, he does have his moments when he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. He does in fact lose his temper over stupid things (like the best of us ALL do.) When it comes to his own personal safety, he seems to disregard a lot of risks which can get him into trouble. I mean really? The man was about to cut off his own feet to escape a cake of wax and he suggested cutting off his hand to escape a pair of handcuffs. He is very lax when it comes to decisions he makes for himself and assumes whatever happens to him is inevitable. This shows that the sacrifices he has made for others weigh much more in his mind.

Despite being the cool, tough guy, he is incredibly kind and selfless in his own way. I’ve already used his Thriller Bark dilemma as an example, so I’ll turn to our first meeting with him. He faced something that could kill any man for the sake of a young girl and her mother even though he didn’t even know them. In the past, though he doesn’t seem all that enthusiastic, he has been more than willing to help others, making him noble, chivalrous and gallant.

As for him being boring because he sleeps a lot? Just go back and look at a few things. When he is not sleeping, he is the ONLY one going through rigorous training routines day in and day out. Now if you ask me, I think he has earned his sleep in that respect. Also, being the swordsman of the group and fighting other swordsman he almost ALWAYS comes out of battles in the worst shape. In every fight he has ever had, he has had some sort of handicap to overcome and most of those were injuries he had received in other fights. He needs to sleep to recover from such serious wounds.

I’m sure you’re probably sick of reading this now, so I’ll just say this in closing. This is pretty much the minimum of what I wanted to put, but it’s my defense as for why Zoro is one of my favorite characters. You don’t have to agree with me at all. Admin-Sama simply wondered why people liked him so much. Of course there are those shallow reasons that people like him (e.g. He’s so hawt! Dude, he fights with three swords! Etc.), but there are other reasons that he is a likable character. I love the entire Mugiwara crew with all of my heart and Zoro is my favorite by just a little bit. They all have their pros and they all have their cons. But hey, we all do don’t we?
(and yeah... my minimum did end up being two full pages ^^')

I actually read the entire thing. Very well put. I don't think anyone can argue against this, unless they want to look foolish in comparison. +Rep for you.

Well , I will tell you my opinion about Zoro with 3 simple words and I am about to explain it with a small sentence:

I HATE ZORO!!!
Reason: Because everyone likes him.

No offense ppl, and thanks for helpin my thread become the most discussed, but we are WAY off topic, thats a thread for the new chapters when they get released lol

I got a really good spoiler ~ ! Zoro !
Apparently Oda made a mistake and he states that its the other eye that has the scar, and it appears that he most likely lost that eye :/

Spoiler:

wow...and Franky has changed so much...

Spoiler:

WOW FRANKY LOOKS RETARDED .
GET HIM OUT OF THE CREW. NOW.

XD Almost my thoughts, but not removal from the crew... just "WTH where you thinking, Franky?"

Now he just looks.. Plain dumb.
His hairstyle is so terrible now, it's not even feasible.
His arms are like... how. why. what.

Yeah, his arms are HUGE ! How can he perform any delicate mechanical functions now ? How can he punch ? HOW CAN HE WEAR HIS CLOTHIN ?!

Franky: With SUUUUUUUUPAR determination !!!

oooh .. riiight !

whats the issue? Franky looks fine, like Vin Diesel. Though the rest of the crew looks weird, dont you love how Luffy hasnt changed at all, thank you Oda..

No, in my eyes Luffy has become younger looking, so thats something lol

Robin also hasn't changed at all.
Nor Zoro. Except for a magic scar that keeps switching eyes.

And if you didn't notice, Luffy has a giant X scar slashed through his chest.

InTents wrote:

Robin also hasn't changed at all.
Nor Zoro. Except for a magic scar that keeps switching eyes.

And if you didn't notice, Luffy has a giant X scar slashed through his chest.

'cause the sudden disappearance of her bangs totally isn't a change.

Zoros_babe_1 wrote:

InTents wrote:

Robin also hasn't changed at all.
Nor Zoro. Except for a magic scar that keeps switching eyes.

And if you didn't notice, Luffy has a giant X scar slashed through his chest.

'cause the sudden disappearance of her bangs totally isn't a change.

Yea she looks more like Boa Hancock now!

Zoros_babe_1 wrote:

InTents wrote:

Robin also hasn't changed at all.
Nor Zoro. Except for a magic scar that keeps switching eyes.

And if you didn't notice, Luffy has a giant X scar slashed through his chest.

'cause the sudden disappearance of her bangs totally isn't a change.

I didn't notice...

I don't really like Franky's new form right now. Maybe it'll grow onto me though.

Chapter 599 out ! One of the few times I dont really know a lot of what has happened before posting lol

LINK:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/40324560/1

Shad0w wrote:

Chapter 599 out ! One of the few times I dont really know a lot of what has happened before posting lol

LINK:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/40324560/1

I want 600 already Dx